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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:02 am    Post subject: Earthlike planets might be common Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Earthlike planets might be common, model indicates
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON NEWS RELEASE
Posted: December 10, 2003


http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0312/10earthlike/


Astrobiologists disagree about whether advanced life is common or rare in our universe. But new research suggests that one thing is pretty certain - if an Earthlike world with significant water is needed for advanced life to evolve, there could be many candidates.

In 44 computer simulations of planet formation near a sun, astronomers found that each simulation produced one to four Earthlike planets, including 11 so-called "habitable" planets about the same distance from their stars as Earth is from our sun.

"Our simulations show a tremendous variety of planets. You can have planets that are half the size of Earth and are very dry, like Mars, or you can have planets like Earth, or you can have planets three times bigger than Earth, with perhaps 10 times more water," said Sean Raymond, a University of Washington doctoral student in astronomy.

Raymond is the lead author of a paper detailing the simulation results that has been accepted for publication in Icarus, the journal of the American Astronomical Society's Division for Planetary Sciences. Co-authors are Thomas R. Quinn, a UW associate astronomy professor, and Jonathan Lunine, a professor of planetary science and physics at the University of Arizona.

The simulations show that the amount of water on terrestrial, or Earthlike, planets could be greatly influenced by outer gas giant planets like Jupiter.

"The more eccentric giant planet orbits result in drier terrestrial planets," Raymond said. "Conversely, more circular giant planet orbits mean wetter terrestrial planets."

In the case of our solar system, Jupiter's orbit is slightly elliptical, which could explain why Earth is 80 percent covered by oceans rather than being bone dry or completely covered in water miles deep.

The findings are significant because of the discovery in recent years of a large number of giant planets such as Jupiter and Saturn orbiting other suns. The presence, and orbits, of those planets can be inferred from their gravitational interaction with their parent stars and their effect on light from those stars as seen from Earth.

It currently is impossible to detect Earthlike planets around other stars. However, if results from the models are correct, there could be planets such as ours around a number of other suns relatively close to our solar system. A significant number of those planets are likely to be in the "habitable zone," the distance from a star at which the planet's temperature will maintain liquid water on the surface. Liquid water is thought to be a requirement for life, so planets in a star's habitable zone are ideal candidates for life. It is unclear, however, whether those planets could harbor more than simple microbial life.

The researchers note that their models represent the extremes of what is possible in forming Earthlike planets rather than what is typical of planets observed in our galaxy. For now, they said, it is unclear which approach is more realistic.

Their goal is to understand what a system's terrestrial planets will look like if the characteristics of a system's giant planets are known, Raymond said.

Quinn noted that all of the giant planets detected so far have orbits that carry them very close to their parent stars, so their orbits are completed in a relatively short time and it is easier to observe them. The giant planets observed close to their parent stars likely formed farther away and then, because of gravitational forces, migrated closer.

But Quinn expects that giant planets will begin to be discovered farther away from their suns as astronomers have more time to watch and are able to observe gravitational effects during their longer orbits. He doubts such planets will be found before they have completed whatever migration they make toward their suns, because their orbits would be too irregular to observe with any confidence.

"These simulations occur after their migration is over, after the orbits of the gas giants have stabilized," he said.

The research is supported by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Astrobiology Institute, its Planetary Atmospheres program, and Intel Corp.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Earth is 80 percent covered by oceans

Wait a minute... I used to always hear that it was 70%... and back in school they used to tell us 2/3..... is Earth slowly drowning?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes... of course... think about all that rain.. and the animals peeing etc etc.. Sooner or later the oceans will fill up. Eventually all living things will crawl up the slopes of Mount Everest.... but will they stop peeing??? Noooooooo... and we will all drown..
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Arctic Sea Ice
Arctic Ocean
Has shrunk by 6% since 1978, with a 14 percent loss of thicker, year round ice. Has thinned by 40% in less than 30 years.

Columbia Glacier
Alaska, U.S.
Has retreated nearly 13 kilometers since 1982. In 1999, retreat rate increased from 25 meters a day to 35 meters a day.

Glacier National Park
Rocky Mtns, U.S.
Since 1850, the number of glaciers had dropped from 150 to fewer than 50. Remaining glaciers could disappear completely within 30 years.

Antarctic Sea Ice
Southern Ocean
Ice to the west of Antartic Peninsula decreased by some 20 percent between 1973 and 1993, and continues to decline.

Pine Island Glacier
West Antarctica
Grounding line (where the glacier hits ocean and floats) retreated 1.2 kilometers a year between 1992 and 1996. Ice thinned at a rate of 3.5 meters a year.

Larsen B Ice Shelf
Antarctic Peninsula
Calved a 200 km2 iceberg in early 1998. Lost an additional 1,714 km2 during the 1998-1999 season, and 300 km2 during the 1999-2000 season.

Tasman Glacier
New Zealand
Terminus has retreated 3 kilometers since 1971, and main front has retreated 1.5 kilometers since 1982. Has thinned by up to 200 meters on average since the 1971-82 period. Icebergs began to break off in 1991, accelerating the collapse.

Larsen A and Price Gustav Ice Shelves
Antarctic Peninsula
Disintegrated completely in 1995.

Keep in mind these statistics are from the year 2000, so the numbers are all probably higher in actuality.

So, yes the earth is slowly drowning, but I can't tell if we'll burn up from the lack of an ozone layer before we get completely underwater. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You'd think some entrepreneurial Americans would have moved in to capitalize on this by now. I'm reminded of the Peri-Air canisters in Spaceballs. Hmmm...

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There was a big NOVA special on PBS here in the US. The glacier on Mt. Kilimanjaro is melting. About 70% has disappeared in the last 100 years. They think it will be completely gone in about 30 years, if I remember my facts correctly.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Okay, if as I was joking, the percentage of th earth's surface that is covered with water is increasing, melting glaciers/ice would probably not explain it, since (1) the figures most likely included ice already and (2) water expands when it freezes, so when glacial ice melts it actually becomes smaller in volume. So glacial melting isn't likely to blame for the gradual drowning...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Landmasses have been receding since the last ice age. No reason to think it would stop now, with or without us. A great deal of human civilization has already succumbed to the melting, off the coasts of many mediterranean nations. We'd better plan on adapting, I suppose.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Would it eventually be like that John Travolta movie, Waterworld? I think it would be fun to live on boats and stuff.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Would it eventually be like that John Travolta movie, Waterworld? I think it would be fun to live on boats and stuff.

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maybe you meant Kevin Costner Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

no wait, didn't john travolta direct it? Or am I merely out of my tree?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

no... that was Kevin Reynolds.... damn it! What the hell movie was I thinking of?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

the directors were Kevin Reynolds and Kevin Costner Very Happy
never seen Travolta on boats Exclamation

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