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blue hell
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Hmm, funny. I prefer to speak english with germans. Dutch and german are nearly the same but different enough to get embarrassing mistakes  |
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Oskar
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Sorry for veering back on topic  , but seeing that the original story in this thread happened in Belgium, wouldn't the Belgian call their language Flemish/Flamse? Or something like that?
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Oskar
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:45 am Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | Hmm, funny. I prefer to speak english with germans. Dutch and german are nearly the same but different enough to get embarrassing mistakes |
And there seems to be no love lost between the two "brother nations" as we Norwegians call it?
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:09 am Post subject:
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| Oskar wrote: | | Sorry for veering back on topic , but seeing that the original story in this thread happened in Belgium, wouldn't the Belgian call their language Flemish/Flamse? Or something like that? |
Flemish or Vlaams, as the Belgians prefer it, is a part of the Dutch language, much stronger then that, they are both in the Taal Unie, which is a group of people, who like to change the spelling of Dutch as soon as all the native speakers are used to the old one 
In fact, in The Netherlands a Flemish dialect is spoken  , besides the Frisians, of course, who have their own dialect (Bad news, Jan, the minister of education is the one who wrote that paper about that dialect question)
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Wout Blommers
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | Hmm, funny. I prefer to speak english with germans. Dutch and german are nearly the same but different enough to get embarrassing mistakes |
And now we make the same mistakes in a foreign language to the both of us
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| Oskar wrote: | | Antimon wrote: | Actually, most people with english-speaking origin I've met here (who actually live here) try to talk swedish in social circumstances. I think the top countries who don't get to learn swedish properly are norwegian/danish (our languagues are almost interchangeable) and immigration groups that are large enough to fill up a neighborhood of their own (there are a couple of those).
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Norway having been a colony under both Sweden and Denmark, we Norwegians have a hard time conversing with either in our own tongue, as there seems to be a certain reluctance from both Danes and Swedes to make the effort to communicate on equal terms, so I find myself babbling in a sort of Norrland dialect when speaking to Swedes, whereas with Danes I switch to English, as they tend to be less condescending then. |
Yeah, well. If I were you I'd spit in the face of the one who met me with such attitude. I can't speak for the danes, but I'm sorry about such behavior from my fellow countrymen.
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(The first gerneration will die in the new country, the second will find strong difficulties and the third will intergrate)
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In America, this usually is one generation faster. Perhaps that's our most distinguishing characteristic. Both of my parents were born of immigrants to this country. They were 100% integrated. I am second generation and I'm disintegrated. 
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| Antimon wrote: | | I think the top countries who don't get to learn swedish properly are norwegian/danish... |
Except for those of us who grew up with swedish TV - which is practically everyone in my generation. It may not be proper per se, but some of us tend to be able to put on a fair bit of convincing swedish, even with various dialects at inspired moments. However, this is mostly in private, when toying with language amongst friends (except for Hurra Torpedo of course!). When talking to swedes I speak norwegian, but sometimes I have to take to one or two swedish terms for common understanding.
This whole issue may become very important as I'm 99% set for a move to Sweden So, my swedish brethren, which language would you like me to speak to you?
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| DrJustice wrote: | | Antimon wrote: | | I think the top countries who don't get to learn swedish properly are norwegian/danish... |
Except for those of us who grew up with swedish TV - which is practically everyone in my generation. It may not be proper per se, but some of us tend to be able to put on a fair bit of convincing swedish, even with various dialects at inspired moments. However, this is mostly in private, when toying with language amongst friends (except for Hurra Torpedo of course!). When talking to swedes I speak norwegian, but sometimes I have to take to one or two swedish terms for common understanding.
This whole issue may become very important as I'm 99% set for a move to Sweden So, my swedish brethren, which language would you like me to speak to you?
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An excellent answer   
Perhaps something for HP Pelzer to c onsider as well...
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