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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:54 pm    Post subject: One Lost, One Saved (maybe…) Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Since I have retired and moved to my new home, I have expanded one of my favorite hobbies, to feed hummingbirds. Now, in the fall season of the North American hemisphere, the birds come through my area on their migration to South America for the winter, and the local population here just explodes.

But unfortunately, I discovered too late yesterday that a bird had been snared in the web of a large spider beside a small shed in my backyard. By the time that I noticed it, the hummer was already dead and the spider was feeding on it. I then moved the spider web in an effort to reduce the chance that it would snare another bird.

But today, while I was on my back porch watching the large swarm of hummers enjoying my sugar feeders, I suddenly noticed that another hummingbird was snared and the spider was furiously wrapping it in a web! The poor hummer was chirping loudly in shear terror! I jumped off the porch and knocked the spider web to the ground to try and separate the spider from the bird before the spider could bite it and inject its lethal venom. I think that I saved that bird from a lethal bite! But the poor bird was already covered with a strong sticky web. As I gently picked it up from the grass, I started to remove the web, but it was nasty stuff. As I tried to pull it off, the sticky crap was removing some feathers too. I was able to remove much of it from the poor frightened bird, and then I held it up to a sugar feeder to allow it to hopefully regain some strength, and it drank some. But, a little while later, it started to list to one side, and acted as if it was getting badly disoriented. I thought that maybe I had failed to save it, and that it would not survive the stress and shock of the whole event. I set it down on the floor of the porch and then stood very still. After a few minutes, it began to preen its wings in an effort to remove the remaining web, a very encouraging sign! I gently scooped the bird up and placed it on the hand rail of my porch swing as it was getting late in the day and starting to get dark. If it wanted to stay there overnight, I would do my best to protect it, but as I tried to slowly move away, it took flight away towards the nearest tree! I could not see if it landed there safely. I hope that it did.

Amazing… three years after retirement, and one of my most personally fulfilling days since then has been the hope that I helped save a single hummingbird from a horrible death…

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for sharing that story. I would do the same thing for any ensnared birds. Wink

Srsly, Mr. Spider, stick to insects. K thx bai. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Amazing ... I thought how can a bird be caught in a spider web ... then I saw how small hummingbirds can be (nothing like that here) .. still must be quite a spider Shocked

Hope it will manage!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice Smile I sometimes save birds from (my own) cats...

Of course hummingbirds, sweet as they are, also feed on spiders. I wonder if anyone is around to save them as well Razz

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: One Lost, One Saved (maybe…) Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:

Amazing… three years after retirement, and one of my most personally fulfilling days since then has been the hope that I helped save a single hummingbird from a horrible death…


isn't it cool to help someone Question we should think about that more often Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Did you kill the spider so that it won't build anymore webs?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Did you kill the spider so that it won't build anymore webs?


That would be like killing all politicians so they can't build any more bombs. Actually, there's no comparison. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

audiodef wrote:
…Srsly, Mr. Spider, stick to insects. K thx bai. Razz
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…Of course hummingbirds, sweet as they are, also feed on spiders. I wonder if anyone is around to save them as well Razz
There are too many spiders around here Exclamation They need some population control Exclamation I haven’t witnessed hummers preying on spiders, but they do use spider webs to build their nests.
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Did you kill the spider so that it won't build anymore webs?
Oh no Exclamation I can’t blame it for snaring the little birds. That’s just its nature to build webs to capture its food. Only I should be blamed for putting sugar feeders up for the hummers and attracting an otherwise abnormal amount of birds so nearby to its web. After knocking the web down to save the bird, I put the spider back on the bush and it built a new web overnight. I will make sure that the web does not extend out too far so as to reduce the chance of any more hummers getting caught during normal flight.

Also, I noticed today that the spider had made a large egg sack…
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Amazing ... I thought how can a bird be caught in a spider web ... then I saw how small hummingbirds can be (nothing like that here) ..
Very small birds and very big spiders can have bad results Exclamation Hummingbirds can be very small and are only found in the New World (western hemisphere). The most common one in my area (northwestern Louisiana, USA) is the Ruby-Throated hummingbird (Archilochus colubris). Here is some good information about it:

http://www.hww.ca/hww2.asp?id=71

Ruby-throated hummingbird North American summertime range:

http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/BBSMap/ra4280.gif

During the spring and summer, there are usually only a small number of hummers (less than 10) that will settle within the range of my yard. But beginning in August, as the little birds begin to migrate south, the population here explodes. I would guestimate that there are anywhere from 40 to 60 birds in my yard now. When they swarm my two sugar feeders (one 4 port and one 6 port), there can be 20 to 30 birds on and near the feeders, with many more seen flying around the yard feeding at flowers and perched nearby in the trees and bushes. By October though, they have all left here flying across he Gulf of Mexico to South America, not to be seen here again until March of the next year.
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…still must be quite a spider Shocked
Yes, this spider is big Exclamation The main body from head to tail is about 1 inch (2.5cm) and the span of the legs from front to back is about 3 inches (7.5cm) in normal stance. I’m not sure what it is called, some say it is a banana spider, but it does not look like pictures of banana spiders I have seen on the internet.
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…Hope it will manage!
I’m optimistic, since the bird began to preen the remaining web from its wings and then flew away…
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isn't it cool to help someone Question we should think about that more often Wink
I find it bit hard to express with just words alone – but to help save a living creature from a horrible situation brought about by no fault of its own, is just absolutely exhilarating. Cool

Here are some gruesome pictures (sorry about the poor quality, the only digicam I have is the one in my cell phone). The poor unfortunate hummer is belly up (no pun intended) with its head on the bottom right. Its beak is normally thin and black, but in the pictures is totally covered with thick white web. The spider has already plucked out the left eye (dark spot under the spider’s left front paw) and taken a big bite out of the hummers left side. It didn’t eat much of the poor bird. After it got its fill, it just cut some web strands and let the carcass fall.


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Some pictures of much happier hummingbirds at the sugar feeders on my back porch (looking toward the East)…


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lovely story and images!

Though I haven't experienced such a size for either bird or spider, I find both animals fascinating to study. Watching a spider set up the structure of its web, seeing a bird fly freely from rooftop to lamp post... Too bad yours can't get along.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lovely photos! Not bad for a cell phone. The camera on my phone is total crap.

Not sure that's a banana spider, either. As far as large spiders go, I saw something that looked like the size of a small mouse but obviously not a mouse go down a hole in the side of a rail tie bordering my yard. It was HUGE and gave me a start. Haven't seen it since. No idea what it was.

There are spiders all over my yard. I recently discovered that there are small, blanched-looking spiders. They're probably harmless but they look creepy - as if they normally never live to see light at all.

And then there is the occasional pretty, small green and black spider.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The spider appears to be a female Black and Yellow Argiope (Argiope aurantia). It closely resembles some of the pictures here:

http://www.spiderzrule.com/stand.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argiope_aurantia

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the links Varice, read them with interest - funny the difference in fauna between our continents. I was in the US once, even common birds looked (and sounded!) just that slightly bit different.
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That was a leading question on my part, sorry. I was just trying to be devil's advocate, ie; I bet the spider was having a great day until you intervened. Shocked Laughing

BTW that looks alot like the orbweaver spiders we get around here. Same little zig-zag white bit on the web too. The orbweaver seems a bit more bulbous in the body though. Some bush tracks have web after web, strung across the track, with a big orbweaver hanging in the middle just waiting to get wrapped around your face! Surprised

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I have always been fascinated by spiders, though I don't think I'd enjoy seeing one munch on a hummingbird.

This week, in the restroom at work, I spotted a little gray wolf spider on the wall. I got closer to peer at it, and it (naturally) jumped. It didn't quite reach me, but went sailing down to the floor by the floorboard - but it didn't hit the floor. I knelt down to check out what happened and saw that it had landed in another tiny web, and this little dot of a spider, obviously overjoyed at such a big catch, came jetting out to check him over. The little spider then hurriedly circled his tiny web, seemingly shoring up the anchor strands for the action to come.

It then approached the wolf spider, darted in and...gloomp. The wolf spider grabbed it and proceeded to make a small snack of the smaller spider.

Well, it was more interesting than just going back to my desk....

Hey Andy, I've seen nature shows on some of those spiders y'all have in Oz. Here, the most dangerous (to people) are black widow and brown recluse. Neither one can hold a candle to the things I've heard about some of those Australian spider species. Care to share any spider stories?

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audiodef wrote:
Lovely photos! Not bad for a cell phone…

Thanks. My cell phone is a Nokia 6350. The camera in it is much better than no camera at all, I guess. And I really shouldn’t complain. It was a gift afterall.
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Thanks for the links Varice, read them with interest - funny the difference in fauna between our continents. I was in the US once, even common birds looked (and sounded!) just that slightly bit different.

You’re welcome. Yes, I also find it very interesting how plants and animals can vary from one region to the next. It is strange how evolution and geography have worked magically over the eons.
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That was a leading question on my part, sorry…

No problem here, that was a perfectly fair question. I did not intend for my reply to read as though I was upset that you asked. I was more sad than angry when I found the first bird already dead in the spider web. But, I was more than willing to kill the spider if necessary to save the second bird Exclamation
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…Some bush tracks have web after web, strung across the track, with a big orbweaver hanging in the middle just waiting to get wrapped around your face! Surprised

Yeah, these spiders like to build webs in open paths between bushes and tree limbs in the woods here. You have to be careful when walking not to wind up with a face full of web along with an angry spider!
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I have always been fascinated by spiders, though I don't think I'd enjoy seeing one munch on a hummingbird…

Yeah, that was not a pretty sight, especially being one of my favorite birds.

Personally, I find spiders to be a big nuisance. There are just too many around here. Lots of bugs around too, which means that there is more than plenty for the spiders to eat.

One night I was sitting and reading a synth manual when I noticed something gently touching my leg underneath my pants just above my sock. I thought maybe it was a scorpion, because they are bad around here too. So I stood up and slowly raised my pants leg hoping not to get stung. But, it was a Black Widow spider! I did a fast and furious stomp dance to shake it off and then mashed it. I think I nearly had a heart attack.

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…Hey Andy, I've seen nature shows on some of those spiders y'all have in Oz. Here, the most dangerous (to people) are black widow and brown recluse. Neither one can hold a candle to the things I've heard about some of those Australian spider species…

Yeah, they have some bad spiders down there. While doing some google research on my spider I also ran across some pictures and stories of huge Australian spiders that have snared larger birds in their web.

That’s a funny story about the little spider and the wolf spider. Little spider snagged more than he could handle. Surprised

Over here, the little jumping spiders are a favorite snack for lizards, like this cool one with a turquoise colored belly that likes to hang out on my back porch steps. It also will snack on fire ants Exclamation


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Stories like these tell me I shouldn't be staying in the centre of town much longer. Great pics, great stories and great sentiments! Thanks a lot for sharing - all of you!
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Blue Hell wrote:
funny the difference in fauna between our continents.


Europe is such a safe, dull place. Wink

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Your black widow is very similar to our redback spider. Same kind of size, shiny black for the main colour, it's just that the redback has a red leaf shape down it's abdomen. Similar venom as well from what I can figure out. They can kill a small (under 3) child just due to simple kg/ml effect of the venom, but adults will "just" get a very nasty (often hospitalising) bite. They are slow, and live in dark moist spots.
When my sister and I were about 4(me)&6 we found a huge load of redbacks on the back of a sheet of corrugated iron in the backyard. We proceeded to collect about 12 of them in a glass jar which we then presented to our Mum. You can probably guess who nearly required hospitalisation that day!!! LOL!
Funnelweb spiders are the other nasty in Oz, and a completely different story. About the size of an OREO biscuit. Dark brown, with short fuzzy hair. If you get anywhere near one, they will rear up on their back legs and show off the two big shiny fangs under their eyes. Any closer, and they can jump, quite agressively, to deliver a bite. Easily kill anyone, including large people, if you don't get an anti-venom pretty quickly. A guy my dad worked with in the 60s-70s was the first person to be saved by the anti-venom. I've never seen one outside a glass jar and have no interest in meeting one face to face. Luckily, they actually keep to themselves, and unless you're doing some major gardening work near Sydney with no-gloves on, you're unlikely to cross paths with one.
Well, children, that's all Uncle Krunkus's spider stories for now.
I think it's time we all went off to bed.

BTW Got my Cortisone injection today. Initial effect was dramatic and good, I'm getting a bit of pain creeping back now though. (6 hrs later) I think I'm just a pain laden freak!! Surprised This thing is unstoppable!! Mad Well,.... I'll see how it goes, can take a week for the full effects. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Years ago I found a colony of large, grey spiders with bulbous bodies and black hour-glass shapes on their underbellies. They were living in the utility closet off the balcony and they really freaked me out (I'm not normally freaked out by bugs of any kind). I went in there with a broom and some ammonia. I wasn't taking a chance that it was a black widow relative. I still have no idea what they were.
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When my sister and I were about 4(me)&6 we found a huge load of redbacks on the back of a sheet of corrugated iron in the backyard. We proceeded to collect about 12 of them in a glass jar which we then presented to our Mum. You can probably guess who nearly required hospitalisation that day!!! LOL!

Wow! Good thing you and your sister made it through that encounter without any problems.

I almost lost one of my brothers. We found out the hard way that he is allergic to insect stings. While still a toddler, he was playing in the yard and got into a fire ant nest. A bunch of the nasty buggers stung him. Within just a few minutes, his skin started to swell and then he started having trouble to breathe. Mom and Dad rushed him to the hospital. Mom said he stopped breathing just as they got there. But, the doctors treated him and he recovered. Another 5 or 10 minutes, and he probably wouldn’t be with us today.

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…BTW Got my Cortisone injection today…

Sorry to hear that you’re not feeling well Andy. I hope the treatments help ease your pain.

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