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Transistor matching for soundlab
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adambee7



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:24 pm    Post subject:  Transistor matching for soundlab Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm just about to finish off my stripboard soundlab (x2) and i was wondering if anybody matched their tansistor pairs or purchased ssm2210ps. I would like to use the ssm but they are a b'stard to get hold of. Oakley sell them for £5.50 each but would it be better to build Rays transistor matching rig and match up 3904s that way. Oh yeah the 2k resistors r60-61, anyone go the temp comp route. Elby sell wire wound 3300ppm 2k resistors for $8 each. Just would like to hear what you guys used for this little synth. Cheers. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I built Ray's transistor matching circuit on a bit of breadboard, it's a pretty simple to make and it seemed to work fine for me. I was surprised at how closely matched almost all of the transistors were within a batch, matching them almost seemed pointless. It's easy enough to do though so why not.

Mine tracks nicely over about four octaves, maybe a little less, but i bet i could squeeze a bit more out of it by spending some more time trimming.

I cheaped out and didn't install the tempco resistors and i do notice some drifting over time, i think it will be well worth it to install the tempcos and i plan to eventually, but it is quite usable without them.

Have fun, it's a great little synth!
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nice one. I'll give it a go as i have loads of 2n3904s from the same batch. cheers. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In ray's schematic for his matching circuit did you use 200pf for the caps. Is 220pf ok for this circuit.??? Can't seem to get 200pf in the UK. Cheers. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't remember what i did, but i would think that 220pf will be fine. It's a cheapy ceramic strapped across the 20k resistors, and it will probably be a 10% tolerance part anyways. If for some reason it is critical you could put two 100pf caps in parallel but i would just use what you have or can easily and cheaply get.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cheers man Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah that is a good circuit easy to build on stripboard. Matched up a load of them last week. Going to build the PNP one this week as i've got some filters to build. Well recomended Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm interested in breadboarding a transistor matcher, anyone got the link to the schematic / build docs?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here it is. One for NPN and one for PNP. Very Happy Very Happy

http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth/TRANSISTORMATCHER/TRANSISTORMATCHER.php
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've decided to build the go-nogo version, however I don't understand the small portion of the diagram that shows the bypass caps.

There are three separate circuits marked "bypass caps"

I just don't know where to put each one.

Thank you so much,
Rabs
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So you know what I mean:

http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth_new/TRANSISTORMATCHER/pdfs/transistor_matcher_go_nogo_schem.pdf

lower right hand side, and two in the upper center.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

just to clarify: I don't know where to connect the bypass caps.

If somebody could please take the time to tell me quickly, I'm in a rush as I'm building the synth with a high-school apprentice who only has two weeks left to finish his synth.

Thanks so much!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The bypass caps are drawn this way to keep the schematic from getting cluttered.

Put the ones at the top center where power enters the circuit.

The ones in the lower right go as close as possible to the IC power pins like C3 and C6 in this schematic:

http://electroschematics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/subsonic-filter-circuit-schematic.gif

If I wasn't at work I could draw a picture or something but I am so I can't. Try googling "bypass capacitor" or "decoupling capacitor" and look at images; you ought to be able to see something that will bring it into focus for you.

Good luck,

Mark
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

so the 22uF caps go where the power comes in?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

fifteenrabbits wrote:
so the 22uF caps go where the power comes in?


Yes. And note that those are electrolytic and that polarity needs to be observed.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Mark!

I have a meeting with my apprentice later today and hope to have the matcher built by then!
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