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mosc
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:34 am Post subject:
Astrophoto NGC2442 from Hubble Space Telescope |
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This is a picture of NGC 2442 - about 75000 light years across - about 50 million light years away. For comparison, our companion galaxy, the Andormeda Galaxy, the nearest large spiral to the Milky Way, is only about 2.5 million light years away.
Click on the image - it is big.
From: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100325.html _________________ --Howard
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DrJustice

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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:52 am Post subject:
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Note how that picture is dotted with other galaxies, some seemingly very small and in front of NGC2442...
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mosc
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:50 am Post subject:
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| DrJustice wrote: | Note how that picture is dotted with other galaxies, some seemingly very small and in front of NGC2442...
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Yes, you can spend a long time studying photos like this one; and I do. I find them irresistible. Sometimes it's hard to tell what is in front and what is behind. I think the spiral that is down and to the left of the galactic center is behind because a dust lane in NGC2442 is eclipsing it, but then there is a beautiful spiral to the right of the galactic center that looks so small that it must be behind, but is seems to be in front of a dark dust lane. If it is indeed in front, then NGC2442 is a really huge galaxy. _________________ --Howard
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject:
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Shame we can't go out there and explore it (and by we I mean *me* and whoever else would like to come along, not necessarily the govt.), but thank goodness we have eyes to see these things.
Thanks, Howard! _________________ When the stream is deep
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bachus

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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject:
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wow yes thanks
The far galaxie at about 7 oclock is a mindblowing image.... _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:34 am Post subject:
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Beautiful! _________________ We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid. -mwagener
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mosc
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:54 pm Post subject:
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| Acoustic Interloper wrote: | | Shame we can't go out there and explore it (and by we I mean *me* and whoever else would like to come along, not necessarily the govt.), but thank goodness we have eyes to see these things. |
Interesting comment, AI. I know the comment about the government is tongue in cheek. But I have a friend who is, as is now becoming popular in the US, very anti-government. He says he is becoming an anarchists. Yet, at the same time, he is an astronomer. Without the government in the US and other countries science, astronomy in particular, would be many many decades behind where we are today. Such pics are almost directly brought to us by our governments.
Going "out there" and exploring isn't possible in even the imaginable future. If we could go "there", it would still take 75000 years just to go from one side of that galaxy to the other, and that assumes that you can go anywhere you want at light speed. (We can discuss the effects of relativity on slowing down your clock, but I've made the point.)
So, my point is - this is as good as it gets. Over time I assume we'll get better and better pictures. When we do go out there, it will not be as biological beings, but as cyborgs. If, in the future, the cybernetic beings decide to keep us as pets, they will no doubt let us see their pictures. _________________ --Howard
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject:
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| mosc wrote: | | ... So, my point is - this is as good as it gets. ... |
I agree with your assertion, but I think the reasoning behind it is way too optimistc  _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Acoustic Interloper

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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject:
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Oh, my comment about the govt. mostly had to do with not wanting to join the Air Force in order to go out there. Just us plain old folk wandering the galaxy. In fact I work for the state govt. in my professor job
Maybe action at a distance could be put to use, not likely in our lifetime.
Have to keep probing inner space, I guess.  _________________ When the stream is deep
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:33 am Post subject:
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it's like looking at various pasts. i wonder how this photograph would look like if object distance (time) and movement (* time) were taken into account. this picture taken at one point in time is real and yet shows something which never existed at one time alone.
if above is like that which is below inner space is huge!
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Pehr

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bachus

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:13 am Post subject:
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| klangumsetzer wrote: | this picture taken at one point in time is real and yet shows something which never existed at one time alone.
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At present it seems that there is no such thing as "at one time" in any case -- Einstein, Minkowsky, et. al. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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DrJustice

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:17 am Post subject:
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| klangumsetzer wrote: | | it's like looking at various pasts. i wonder how this photograph would look like if object distance (time) and movement (* time) were taken into account. this picture taken at one point in time is real and yet shows something which never existed at one time alone. |
That is a very interesting observation. It represents hundreds of millions of years in an instant
I never really thought about that...
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:05 am Post subject:
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Inner space is indeed huge. It's called quantum mechanics, and it's too bad it's a late comer to the spiritual game. Imagine if we'd learned about quantum mechanics before making up stories about omnipotent invisible friends...
I don't agree that astronomy would be lagging without Das Gov't. History bears this out. Galileo worked outside the system. If Der Guv cut of all funding to astronomy, we'd have plenty of Galileos doing what they can. I think the Mayans knew about all kinds of stuff without the fancy telescopes we have today. They probably knew about the rings about Saturn before someone aimed a scope at it. They certainly knew a lot about distant stars.
It's about using the old noggin', not whether some fascist organization approves with useless paper and metal tokens. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:31 pm Post subject:
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I love astronomy and cosmology - I just wish I had the maths ability to figure out some of the squiggles those astrophysicists like to cover blackboards with; but alas...
The thing that's intriguing me at the moment is the idea of Dark Flow - could this really be the first, tentative evidence of the existence of another universe?  |
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject:
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glow worm: Thanks for your post. I never head of Dark Flow before. I did a google search and found some good stuff.
I need to reread the Dark Flow stuff a few times to get a better feel for it.  _________________ --Howard
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:17 pm Post subject:
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| That's not when something is wrong with your woman's period, right...? |
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:55 am Post subject:
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Heh - not quite
TBH I only heard about it myself a few weeks ago, on a TV programme (Horizon - BBC2) about the state of our knowledge of the Universe.
Dark Flow is an apparent net motion of galaxy superclusters, relative to the cosmic microwave background. It was 'discovered' in 2008 through analysis of three years' worth of data from the WMAP satellite.
The problem is that, according to the Standard Model of Cosmology, it shouldn't be there. The motion of of galaxy superclusters relative to the cosmic microwave background 'should' be random and evenly distributed. Galaxy superclusters 'should not' all be moving towards the same 20° patch of sky, between the constellations of Centaurus and Vela.
Some scientists say that the science is flawed, but the latest analysis of five years of WMAP data, appears to back the original conclusion.
So... What in heaven could be causing galactic superclusters to move towards one particular region of the sky, at millions of miles per hour? Whatever it is, it seems to lie outside the visible universe.
The two candidates are...
1. Some supermassive remnant from the early universe, that we don't understand.
2. Another universe, or some other region of spacetime, which is fundamentally different from the one we live in.
Whatever it is, it's another big problem for the poor old Standard Model of Cosmology, which has only just about managed to accomodate the idea of Dark Energy  |
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:36 am Post subject:
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| glow worm wrote: |
Whatever it is, it's another big problem for the poor old Standard Model of Cosmology, which has only just about managed to accomodate the idea of Dark Energy  |
Wow! I didn't realize cosmology was that interested in Doepfer synthesizers.
/Stefan _________________ Antimon's Window
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:15 am Post subject:
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Stefan, who I'm going to start calling Stegan because I keep making that typo.
Or maybe it's just a regular meeting of galactic superclusters. They're going to vote on what to do about us hyoomunz, so we better straighten up and fly right in the next few millennia.
Or maybe my song "Everything's Alive" is more right than I even suspect, from electrons to galactic superclusters!  |
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