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Soundlab Next, Checking parts
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Soundlab Next, Checking parts
Subject description: A steadying hand please for a really dumb question I'm sure ;)
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Hi All

I recently finished my WSG MKII. It works fine and is only waiting to be cased. Now my next project is a Soundlab (Basic). To this end I have been checking my usual suppliers and I can get all the IC's no problem.

Second to that is the capacitors but this is more to do with finding ones of the correct ratings BUT with the correct physical lead pitch. So to this end I have compiled a list of the capacitors I need by value and pitch. Now the pitch has driven the selection of the type of capacitor IE. Ceramic, polyestor, etc.

Ceramics have a bit of leeway as the leads can be bent slightly to fit the PCB if needed (so long as the lead length isn't excessive) Polyestors have been selected where the the leads would be excessive if a ceramic was used.

I know the different type/materials they are made from have qualities that are better at audio, or high frequency, filtering etc etc etc. But does it matter what type I use in the Soundlab?

Other than that everything is clear so far. I have started an online order for everything else so just need a yay or nay please. Smile

I probably know the answer as my voice mod is built using polyestor caps but people have built it with ceramics caps instead with no problems.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Soundlab Next, Checking parts
Subject description: A steadying hand please for a really dumb question I'm sure ;)
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Fenris wrote:


I know the different type/materials they are made from have qualities that are better at audio, or high frequency, filtering etc etc etc. But does it matter what type I use in the Soundlab?



Fenris


Greetings,

If I'm not mistaken what you're asking is it okay to substitute what caps you're using in your Soundlab build. Ray tends to do a pretty good job of suggesting what caps to use. You can always use better quality caps (such as a film instead of ceramic) or a higher rated cap (such as a 50V instead of a 35V) but it is probably a good idea to not use an inferior cap to what he suggests. For example, a ceramic cap where a higher quality cap is required may cause problems such as oscillator drifting and/or other such issues. You also want to make sure you don't use a cap that's has a lower voltage rating than what Ray suggests.

Many times I've had to bend large value caps or 1/2 watt resistors to awkwardly put them on a PCB simply because they were the only ones I hand. If the unit works it's fine with me.

I hope this helps. Happy building..
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for that. I knew about the voltage ratings. It's the getting caps that will fit the PCB pitch. Some caps of course have legs that can be bent to fit. Others however do not and getting them in the right pitch can be problematic. So, So long as I maintain the quality of the component I can use what physically fits I guess.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think the only caps on the original SoundLab which are even close to critical would be the integrator caps in the oscillators. The other typical one is a low leakage type for a sample and hold, but the original SoundLab doesn't have one.
I'm fairly sure the integrators on the old schem are C6 and C7. Have a look at this page,
http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth/OLD_SOUNDLABMINISYNTH/soundlab.html
AFAIK the best integrator caps are polystyrene. 100pF styrene should be fairly easy to get, but not from your average RadioShack, Dick Smith type store. You'll need to take a step up to Mouser, Farnell, Digikey, that kind of supplier.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Uncle

Well if only I practiced a bit of RTFM......... I must be going blind. It's all so obvious now Very Happy Cheers all

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

RTFM?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Read The Flaming Manual............. At least thats the clean version Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BTW I messed up. The integrating caps are C8 and C9. These are shown as 1nF, but Ray mentions that you could go as low as 300pF, (as long as you increase the resistors) so there's a fair bit of scope there to find styrene.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the heads up Uncle. Much appreciated.

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