electro-music.org   Dedicated to experimental electro-acoustic
and electronic music
 
 Front Page  |  Radio  |  Forum  |  Media  |  Playlists  |  Wiki
Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
 FAQFAQ   CalendarCalendar   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   LinksLinks
 RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in  Chat RoomChat Room 
 Forum index » DIY Hardware and Software » MusicFromOuterSpace.com designs by Ray Wilson
WSG Lorenzo Layout Questions
Post new topic   Reply to topic Moderators: dnny, Uncle Krunkus, v-un-v
Page 1 of 1 [11 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
Author Message
strategy



Joined: Jan 03, 2009
Posts: 87
Location: portland, oregon

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject: WSG Lorenzo Layout Questions
Subject description: I etched this and am stumped
Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I etched a PCB of the Lorenzo's layout of the WSG. I didn't really do my homework beforehand, just started drilling and populating the board with what I had on hand!

Questions:

- what sort of switch is used in the photo of Lorenzo's original build, as shown in the photo here? http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth/YOUR_FIRST_SYNTH/YOUR_FIRST_SYNTH.html#LORENZO - can anyone recommend an appropriate part?

- In the photo, C10 looks to be an electrolytic capacitor (?) - however in both Lorenzo's component overlay and the general WSG BOM, C10 is listed as an ordinary (non polarized) cap. Which is it?

Thanks for the help!
Strategy

_________________
--------
community-library.net/strategyhome.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Uncle Krunkus
Moderator


Joined: Jul 11, 2005
Posts: 4761
Location: Sydney, Australia
Audio files: 52
G2 patch files: 1

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

C10 should be a 1->2uF non-polarised cap. That could be a ceramic, a greencap, an MKT, or maybe an aluminium can bi-polar. (which looks just like an electrolytic, except it will have BP or NP written on it somewhere. Wink )
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
strategy



Joined: Jan 03, 2009
Posts: 87
Location: portland, oregon

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Uncle Krunkus! The bipolar aluminum can seems like a good bet. The photo is taken directly from above, so its not really clear for identification other than it looks just like an Electroylitc cylinder style cap from above!

Cheers
Strategy

_________________
--------
community-library.net/strategyhome.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
strategy



Joined: Jan 03, 2009
Posts: 87
Location: portland, oregon

PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK, bumping this here to see if anyone can identify the switches used in the Lorenzo layout (link to photo above)

Thanks for the help!
-strategy

_________________
--------
community-library.net/strategyhome.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Uncle Krunkus
Moderator


Joined: Jul 11, 2005
Posts: 4761
Location: Sydney, Australia
Audio files: 52
G2 patch files: 1

PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

They're just PCB mounted toggle switches. I wouldn't worry if you can't find exact matches for them.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
strategy



Joined: Jan 03, 2009
Posts: 87
Location: portland, oregon

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject:
Subject description: More discrepancies
Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK, two more discrepancies I'm finding on this layout.

1.) the WSG parts list gives C6 as an el capacitor. On the Lorenzo DIY layout C6 is described as 'ceramic' and not noted with any polarity.

2.) the WSG parts list gives R20 as a 1M potentiometer. On the Lorenzo layout it's just a resistor.

Am I missing obvious answers or am I working from the wrong parts list. I should note that the Lorenzo layout "extra info" links do not give any information about parts that would indicate a different list than the one on the WSG main page.

. Thanks for any help!

_________________
--------
community-library.net/strategyhome.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Uncle Krunkus
Moderator


Joined: Jul 11, 2005
Posts: 4761
Location: Sydney, Australia
Audio files: 52
G2 patch files: 1

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

First:
There are 2 versions of the WSG.
The layout Lorenzo did is based on Version 1.
Both of your questions point to the fact that you're looking at the parts list for Version 2.

On Version 1:
C6 is a 1uF cap. You should be able to find it as a ceramic dipped capacitor. Either a greencap, or an MKT. You could also use an electrolytic, but make sure it's a bipolar or non-polarised one. These should also be quite easy to find.
R20 is definitely a fixed 1M resistor, not a pot.

BTW Ray really should have called the new one - WSG2 and labelled it as such on all the associated web pages. But considering the amount of work Ray already does to produce wonderfully inspiring projects, I think we can forgive him this little oversight. Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
strategy



Joined: Jan 03, 2009
Posts: 87
Location: portland, oregon

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus you have been amazingly helpful. in all my browsing prior to jumping into the project nowhere did I glean that there are two versions.

I will try to track down the version 1 parts list. I have a fair amount (but not too bad) of disassembly to do, unfortunately Sad

As a wise philospher once said, "Doh"

Paul

_________________
--------
community-library.net/strategyhome.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Uncle Krunkus
Moderator


Joined: Jul 11, 2005
Posts: 4761
Location: Sydney, Australia
Audio files: 52
G2 patch files: 1

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you click on the link at the top of this thread, (the one you posted) and then scroll up, you'll find all the original version info, including schem and parts list. Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
strategy



Joined: Jan 03, 2009
Posts: 87
Location: portland, oregon

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks to Uncle Krunkus' advice here and VTL5C3 helping me troubleshoot a goofed component my Weird Sound Generator is now complete! I have dubbed it the Oblique Strategy Generator! Thank you, Uncle Krunkus for your guidance!

The giant knobs are old, from an electronics surplus shop we found here in Portland!

- Strategy


Oblique Strategy Generator.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  270.35 KB
 Viewed:  220 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

Oblique Strategy Generator.jpg



_________________
--------
community-library.net/strategyhome.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Uncle Krunkus
Moderator


Joined: Jul 11, 2005
Posts: 4761
Location: Sydney, Australia
Audio files: 52
G2 patch files: 1

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very Happy
_________________
What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic Moderators: dnny, Uncle Krunkus, v-un-v
Page 1 of 1 [11 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » DIY Hardware and Software » MusicFromOuterSpace.com designs by Ray Wilson
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
Log in
Username:     Password:      Log me on automatically each visit    


Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Copyright © 2003 through 2026 by electro-music.org